SMS: Short Message Service….About.com defines SMS as “Short Message Service” is a feature available in most modern digital phones, that lets users receive and send short text messages.We will say a very handy way to communicate cheaply thru cell phones.But had anyone ever thought that one day it would taken as a tool to decide the fate of some singer to be an Idol or Winner of musical shows.
Judging by ppl vote is not a very good option when it comes to certain competition’s.(why don’t we have voting system for picking up the best film in OSCARS..or u say winner of Arjuna Awards, Bharat Ratna Award etc)Then why in case of singing we leave it for the ppl to decide? is music is so easy to understand…?then why do we need judges??..for only to pass comments and fight and adding spice to the show..??
Judging by SMS is itself a flaw…i can tell u a scenario…
Take a case where a contestant is a very good singer and if gets 100 votes wins a show.If 95 persons vote for him u dont think that he will be the winner..bcos some 5 guys have more money to spend and they can easily send 200 smse’s within hrs to make the other guy win!!!
Basically in these shows talent doesn’t win.The real winners are the TV Channels and the cell operators who are making billions out of it. The TV channels are taking the advantages of emotinal bhartiya janta…by adding some emotional drama in the shows. And the bholi bhali janta will be influence by it and vote for his/her favourite contestant to be the winner of the show… The Cell operator and the channel both are happy..
We being an emotional fool voted for some guy..he didn’t win…we voted..we got emotional…no one cared if he was worth a singer/winner..and the contestants are not shortlisted bcos of judge’s remarks/feedback..but by the no. of votes they receive.
suppose there are 5 contenders..you like a guy who comes from a small town..u sympathize with him , even he sings well…now the host will say..“If u want “Mr X†to remain in the show pls vote for himâ€â€¦Now u will definetly vote for him..not bcos he’s the perfect singer(u are not a judge who knws each and every note and the technical details of voice ,pitch ,high ,low)but bcos u like him .and its your choice.you got bonded wid him from day one…The TV channel’s is showing something which doesn’t bother them..The channel’s is least bothered to pick the Best singer for the country….its ok for them if the public makes some one the Winner.The channel will place emotional scenes in the show to raise the TRP, as a result no. of votes which goes in crores..multiply with 5 rupees/SMS or 3 rupess/SMS is their main objective…
If channel really hunts talents and give younster a ladder to be singer then where the winners of such competition gone???
Where is Abhijeet Sawant(First Indian Idol)?? How many his albums released after these many years?? Can anyone remmember the name of the person who won Indian Idol 2?? Does anyone remember Karunya(Runner up Indian Idol 2)??
The answer of these question are very clear..channels do not bother about anything else but only to its profit.
There is another point ..don’t u ppl think these shows are diving our country into regions.A contestant from a particular state will get maximum votes from that state. People votes a contestant not becoz he is a gud singer..but because he belongs to his community/state/caste..etc…
So friends ..do u think we shud be part of such an event which diving our country instead of uniting it??? Dont we shud boycott all the activities which harms our country’s unity??
and one humble request to all he directors/producers of these kind of shows…please dont make winner by 100% SMS Voting..atlest make it a 60 -40 ratio..where judge’s mark will decide 60% and public polls will decide the rest.and also one more suggesstion please do not disclose the person’s name , region etc till the participant survives inthe show..so that the baised voting system will be less…and let the deserving one to be the winner…so that these shows become really a talent hunt..not a talent hurt…
#1 by Yashodha Chaku - December 12th, 2007 at 16:52
I vote for the blog
#2 by Rupam Jaiswal - December 12th, 2007 at 17:09
I agree with you.
sending SMS should be made free for such events.
#3 by bharat - December 12th, 2007 at 17:10
All reality shows are their business and they have all rights to get profit from it.
People should understand that and not to vote.
I have never voted for any participant of any reality show.
#4 by pankaj sharma - December 12th, 2007 at 17:25
i am not at all agree with this:
every one of us has a sense of music and fun with in ourself.
if 100 crore people are choosing some one as the best singer or comedian surely he/she would we, and if 100 crore people can be wrong then 3 judges can also be wrong.
only people of india can decide who will be the voice of india, how can only three persons related to music field can decide that.
As far as money making is concerned every one is making money from our bholy bhali janta.
we spend money for our happiness (so what if such foolish things makes us happy).
After all they are creating such huge drama for our entertainment so they deserve money.
Only because of our voting skills ‘Taj Mahal’ is now included among the seven wonders.
Thanks for the voters.
even quality of your blog will also be decided on the basis of votes.
Finally nothing wrong in what they do, what foolish is what people do…. Voting. That can be stopped by spreading awareness ans your blog does the same.
Thanks for such a nice, thought provoking blog.
#5 by Junia Biswas - December 12th, 2007 at 17:34
@ Rupam
Will making SMS Free help to stop biased voting??
#6 by Junia Biswas - December 12th, 2007 at 17:49
@pankaj
Nice comment..
But want to make clear that am not against the voting sys..but against the biased voting which is occurring due to such events and shows..
u r correct that every one has a sense of music.. but how many has the correct one..like only our maths teacher evaluates our maths papers in exam not all the teachers or the whole school students…(though every teachers in the staff room knows more or less about the subject MATHEMATICS)….
It is done so that the best can be identified correctly…
or do u think we should stop this policy also and start choosing the first girl/Boy of the class by SMS Votes
#7 by Rupam Jaiswal - December 12th, 2007 at 17:50
@Junia
atleast money will not be constraint then. Those who wish to vote their favorites but cant do so..this will surly help them.
This way there will not be “some 5 guys who have more money to spend and they can easily send 200 smse’s within hrs to make the other guy win”…
In the end, its all about money, honey
#8 by Junia Biswas - December 12th, 2007 at 17:57
@ Rupam
It will help those surely…
but see the other aspect..
How many times it will increase the traffic in the network??
here is a soln 4 dat:
1 vote per phone no..
Howz dat…???
#9 by Yashodha Chaku - December 12th, 2007 at 17:58
@Pankaj:
‘even quality of your blog will also be decided on the basis of votes.’
Quality will be judged by the judges, assessed on the basis of popularity of course
#10 by pankaj sharma - December 12th, 2007 at 18:09
Do you think Music and Maths are same, i don’t think so.
For example if a formula of maths is right it is judged by its output and it can only be wright or wrong but this is not applied to music, dance or jocks .
Quality of a joke can’t be judged by one well known comedian,
it can be judged only by the number of people it makes laugh.
Famous singer Kishore Da was not a student of classical music and knowing nothing about the music, but still he is among the best singers because his voice was liked by all not by judges only.
Singing, Dancing and comedy are the arts which touches our heart not mind(like maths). So can be judged only by number of hearts it touches and surely votes directly reflects it.
And if you think voting is biased who makes it biased??
Its the talent of the person only that makes people to be biased towards him, so its fair in every means.
#11 by Junia Biswas - December 12th, 2007 at 18:25
Well said Pankaj…
If voting of “Seven Wonders “can be compared wid “Singers” then why not maths??
and as far as I know…Singing Do need Mathematics…
like some songs are based on trital(16 matras)
some on kaharba taal(8 matras)
and the singer have to apply mind(or maths whatever u say) to sing the song perfectly…so that it sound good..of course “Touches heart”..
As far as Kishroda’s singing is concerned..he practised music so much that he was very well versed of this mathematics…and do u think if there was missing of some sur or taal in his singing..he could had able to touch so many hearts..??
#12 by Claudian Fernandes - December 12th, 2007 at 18:33
Voting is here to stay. Politicians are selected by vote and not necessarily the best person wins. We have to live by the policies implemented by those in power (whether we like it or not) till it changes.
Similarly everything in life including contests are also all about money. It is a business and to maximize profits channels explore all options including emotional ones to get people to spend.
So our (Also the judges – as in contests) opinions on this don’t matter.
#13 by pankaj sharma - December 12th, 2007 at 18:35
@yashodha
So i want to know about the criteria of popularity, is it number of comments or something else.
I am not in favor of including it as a criteria, reasons are:
1) It can be biased easily (as the number of voter is very small and attached with each other so who is writing the blog becomes more important then what is written in it).
2) Bloggers forces others to comment on their bogs (because of this criteria). The one who forces more will get more votes.
#14 by Yashodha Chaku - December 12th, 2007 at 18:55
@pankaj:
blogs have given judged on the criteria:
1. Popularity
2. Level of Interest
3. Originality
4. Thought Provoking
“1) It can be biased easily (as the number of voter is very small and attached with each other so who is writing the blog becomes more important then what is written in it).”
Popularity is just one of the 4 criteria, equal stress being laid on all of them. So, even if you (or your blog) aint popular enough, you can always score on other points as well.
“2) Bloggers forces others to comment on their bogs (because of this criteria). The one who forces more will get more votes. ”
As we put it, level of interest. Well, everyone wants to be heard even if it means poking people to go through the pain of reading your blog, then finding it interesting enough to comment.
Hope that answers your queries.
#15 by pankaj sharma - December 12th, 2007 at 19:01
One more thing Junia..
Apart from all the drawbacks you wrote(valid or not valid).
such events provides a platform for new comers, which is the best thing about such shows. Talent from all the country are given equal opportunity to take part. Only lack of opportunity hurts (or even kills) Talent and these shows provide the opportunity and rest is up to the Talent.
Success in such fields depends on the public if public like SRK he is the king, so what if Irfan Khan can act better then him.
Thats the way life treats(success depends on public liking) with artists so its good to give them same treatment in the shows also.
#16 by bharat - December 12th, 2007 at 19:04
@yashodha
your previous comment itself is equivalent to a blog.
#17 by yogita - December 12th, 2007 at 19:06
I don’t completely agree but ya you have a point to make think…
nice blog!!!
#18 by Junia Biswas - December 12th, 2007 at 19:15
@ Yashodha, Pankaj & Bharat:
Please refrain from going off the topic
Thnx
#19 by Junia Biswas - December 12th, 2007 at 19:39
@pankaj
these shows do give good platforms to the new talents…
but not the winners or idols (Which we r supposed to get as an outcome).
Thats what I have written this blog… am not against of these type of shows but such a nice platform should be utilized for what it has been meant…
Shreya Ghosal, Sunidhi Chauhan are the out comes of these talent shows only..but they have been judged by expert musicians…
not by the Blind SMS Votes….
thats why I have suggested the 60 – 40 method..to choose the winner…
so that so that the deserving one Wins….
And People could get more good singers to enjoy music….
People do like SRK..but when it comes to giving OSCARS..people suggest Irfan Khan’s name..so what..ki CHAK DE.was a bigger Hit than NAMESAKE
Cos the bottom line is DESERVING ONE SHOULD WIN…..
#20 by Soudip - December 12th, 2007 at 19:52
hey junia!!!
i completely agree with u…
i never liked the idea of public voting in watsoever area it may be…
Not only these so called talent hunt programs but in all fields..it just promotes communalism instead of DEMOCRACY…
for eg.i wud like to cite the example of recently conducted “se7en Wonders” pollin…
it really makes us proud wen we hear that our TAJ was given the [i]“SurTaj”[\i]..
lots of ppl voted for it…in all tv channels the code for taj was flashed 24X7…but how may ppl were aware of all(or atleast any ) the other nominees???
cite me one media group that displayed the codes for other nominees…..
as if, we were bound to vote for Taj or none…
so,far as TV shows are concernd..i think there sud b some ratio as u mentioned..like “laughter challenge(STAR ONE)”…
but u know…usin the sys of public votin has made the shows very intersting..Although at the cost of young bullies(singers)…we hav atleast an option of watchin some shows..its much better than roz ka saans bahu sagas..(;))..isn’t it??
#21 by Pravina - December 13th, 2007 at 10:38
you all people talking about biased and unbiased votes?
A simple question from me……
look at our comments in thoughts decoded.
Do we comment on a blog if its not written by our team member? If this can happen in our company…… we have no rights to speak about the talent hunt…… Do we?
#22 by pankaj sharma - December 13th, 2007 at 11:25
@Pravina
So you are agreed that voting is biased, and still we are implementing this for blog evaluation.Why ?
Reason was stated in “Time to revamp WA blog point system” that it will increase the involvement off all.
So my question is if we can use voting to involve all at our blog site, why can’t the Talent hunt shows have the rights to do so?
Saying voting is biased only shows that you are not happy with the results,
it doesn’t mean results are wrong.
well these are reality shows and reality bites…
#23 by Pravina - December 13th, 2007 at 15:29
Hey you are getting me wrong. I never said voting is biased. I only gave an example of comments to the blog, which i feel is biased.
As mentioned in this blog
“please dont make winner by 100% SMS Voting..atlest make it a 60 -40 ratio..where judge’s mark will decide 60% and public polls will decide the rest.”
Here is the clarification to your question —–
I stated that if we can be biased in commenting then who are we to talk about what is going around the world?. If we cant practice or implement it with ourselves then who are we to judge about others. This reminds me of Dileeps 1st blog(remember??).
And with regards to your statement “Reason was stated in “Time to revamp WA blog point system†that it will increase the involvement of all.”
We have been continuously announcing to you all to suggest inputs to make changes in the blog system. And even now we are asking for suggestions from all. So it would be good if you can turn your CRITICISMS into Constructive Points, and help improve the system, rather than just complaining about it.
#24 by michael.fernando - December 13th, 2007 at 15:43
@Pankaj
I neednt be biased here. May be you feel our system isnt perfect.
You are confusing “VOTING” in reality shows to “ThoughtsDecoded Comments”..
Differences between REALITY SHOWS and THOUGHTS DECODED:
1. Reality Shows are produced ONLY for MONEY, while Thoughts Decoded has been created so that you can give out your talents.
2. Voting in reality shows requires money and hence is biased, what about people who are without money and still want to vote. That means the person with more rich fans behind him wins. Thoughts Decoded has received ONLY ONE vote so far(From Claudy) and VOTING isnt biased because it is FREE. Just send a mail to Yashi, Pravs or Me unless otherwise one says one of your lines in FEEL FREE, “Bahot kaam hain yaar”, how long does it take anyway to send a mail with a single name? or a message in Spark?
3. Winners are decided on the basis of votes in Reality Shows. In ThoughtsDecoded winners arent FULLY decided based on comments/votes. Please read the blog we have posted carefully, we have even given an Example there.
Humans have the ability to reason. Yashi, Pravs and Me are Humans. I think so we have the ability to reason and distinguish between forced, nonsensical and irrelevant comments.
#25 by michael.fernando - December 13th, 2007 at 15:56
Criticisms are welcome. Please post your criticisms as comments on the blog at http://thoughtsdecoded.com/?p=30
Just criticizing is of no use to us. You have to explain HOW the point fails or has failed.
#26 by Junia Biswas - December 13th, 2007 at 16:00
main objective of this blog was that only
that we should not support something which is dividing our country into regions / state/ caste etc..if the show organiser will not disclose the name/state of the participant…so people will vote only to the person becoz he/she have talent..not becoz he/she is frm his/her state..etc
And also the 60- 40 method will do justice to the paricipants..
I think by following this type of technique..we can find out the real & deserving person to win such competitions..
If We humans are following some wrong practices…then we humans only shud find out ways to stop wrong things rather than continuing the same wrong thing..
#27 by michael.fernando - December 13th, 2007 at 16:23
Hi Junia,
Nice Blog! There is also a Positive Point about Reality Shows.
Heard of Naresh Iyer from Super Singer and Meiyang Chang from Indian Idol. They both didnt make it to the winners list. But:
Naresh Iyer has sung nearly 50 Songs(eg: Roobaroo of Rang De Basanti) and was spotted by A R Rahman in that show
Meiyang Chang of Indian Idol is recording a song with Alisha Chinai after she liked his voice in the show
The Judges knew they were talented and hence couldnt keep themselves away from selecting them for their private projects.
Now talk about Abhijeet Sawant(Indian Idol) or VIVA Popstars.. where the hell are they anyway?
These are the examples I know.
Talent Hunt doesnt really HURT!!
#28 by Junia Biswas - December 13th, 2007 at 16:42
@ micheal:
I am also in favour of these reality shows..
many participants got many singing contracts after performing on these shows…
but my point is if dere is competition to choose the best singer…
then the best shud win
coz if the deserving one looses…
at that moment of time…talent really hurts…
#29 by ninad.pingale - December 13th, 2007 at 18:19
Really a nice blog.It is a reality.I am also a music fan.Everything you
mensioned is 100% right.
One more point I don’t like about these tv shows is, the judges those are well known for their talent, always have quarrel among themselves (with a serious music background).May be,this is also the game of these profit making channels.
Furthermore they also speak in wrong way with the young singers which may upset the youngsters from the singing,except some judges or guests those motivate these people.
But one point is true that the talent which is hidden in the corners of the country are comming out from their places.They can easily get a chance to show their talent just by reaching the venue and standing for 2/3 hours or more in the queue for audition.
Only the thing is the sms voting system should not be used.
And about channels…naturally they will make their profit by presenting
the show in different way to remain in channels competetions.But they should really find out a best singer at the end.
Thanks for making this blog.
#30 by Junia Biswas - December 13th, 2007 at 18:25
@ninad
Thnx for the appreating the blog
Yes my point is that only…
“The Best shud win at end”
#31 by freia.lobo - December 14th, 2007 at 23:25
Well life is not fair…These days not in too many places the best wins
In many places capable poeple do not receive the recognition they rightfully deserve
But like Clauds said, If the “janta” can be trusted to chose who is going to run the country …what are these shows compared to elections?
@Junia
Hats of to Junia(aunty )very interesting blog
something we often come across but never really discuss
Agree with u …the contestants’s hometown or state should nto be disclosed .
As we saw in Amul Star Voice of India,Harshit beat Ishmeet in votes from the East Zone ,West Zone and SHouth Zone.But the amount of Votes Ishmeet got from the North zone,to which both of them belonged,thrashes all the votes sent for Harshit.
@michael(uncle)
Rightly said that some talent has been recognised
another example: Remember Karunya?
In case you are wondering why this name si so vaguely familiar,he is teh runner up of Indian Idol season 2
He sang a song in Hirani’s lage raho Munnabhai i.e. “Aane Chaarane”
#32 by Bipin - December 16th, 2007 at 21:07
I am really excited by the interest this post has generated and the popularity it has received.
The system of voting is based on the philosophy of trust – trust in your own judgement and trust in the judgement of people around you. If we can not trust our judgement and the judgement of people around us, than no system can work.
Look at the popularity and quality of comments this post has attracted. Your post can be rich in content and it can be original. If there are but few takers of the post, the purpose is defeated. The democratic system is a wonderful system to have. Let people choose what they want. It is important is trust in your own judgement when you caste your vote and also trust people around you. That alone can change the environment. Ofcourse there will always be some black sheep. There is no other way to find them but to have more trust in your voting system.