“Brain-Drainâ€. Yes, its today’s most fascinating word for well educated youngsters in India and also a big problem for the government.
Most of us, have seen Shahrukh Khan’s movie ‘SWADES’. The problem of Brain Drain is well portrayed in the movie. The best scene in the movie- Shahrukh (Mohan Bhargav – a NASA Engineer) who works in the development of a weather satellite for the USA to avoid water-shortage, watches a little boy selling a glass of water for 25 paise on the railway platform. Really hard job in order to fulfill his basic needs.
So, what IS Brain-Drain with respect to India?
The term is self explanatory. Talented professionals in India, who gain knowledge using the resources in India, turning away to other (mostly developed countries) seeking high-paid jobs and settling there.
This is a big loss for a country like India where education gets aid from the government.
But there is always an argument because – The effects of the brain drain are ambiguous – while it leeches away many talented professionals, it also creates incentives for others to get educated, and can therefore create a more educated population than would have existed without brain drain.
Expert’s Word:-
According to the Economist:
Indian students had little reason to learn computer coding before there was a software industry to employ them. But such an industry could not take root without computer engineers to man it. The dream of a job in Silicon Valley, however, was enough to lure many of India’s bright young things into coding, and that was enough to hatch an indigenous software industry where none existed before.
According to the most exhaustive study of the brain drain, released last month by the World Bank, there were 1.04m Indian-born people, educated past secondary school, living in the 30 relatively rich countries of the OECD in 2000.
About 11,000 university graduates leave India every year for advanced study and/or work. A conservative estimate is that 2500 will remain abroad permanently.
Yes! It is really shocking.
Reasons for Brain-Drain :-
1) Unemployment
2) Pursuit of higher education
3) Improvement of working conditions and facilities, and last but not least
4) Financial incentives and material benefits
Many of the students from the IITs & IIMs are the cream of educated youth, but they will be beneficiary for India only if they used their ‘Master Mind’ for India in India.
In contrast to the above, IAS, IPS and Military Services students are really the heroes of India who are not only talented but also the ones who use their talent for their Motherland.
The Indian Government gives ample amount of facilities and subsidies for education; technical as well as non technical. For example: The Government spends about Rs. 60,000 per year (2 lakh 40,000 Rs) on each of the engineering students. But how many Engineers really worked for India in India?
Only blaming for Indian governmental policies and its mentality is not the solution. We should also try to change ourselves as much as possible.
At this point, I remember the famous dialog from the Rebel Movie, ‘Rang De Basanti’ “Zindagi jine 2 hi tareeke hote hain. Ek jo ho raha hain ussey hone do, ya fir, zimmedari uthao, ussey badal ne kiâ€
So any problem that India is suffering due to Brain-Drain; try to solve it. Dont Run Away.
#1 by Vijay - October 19th, 2007 at 14:49
really touching one….
have to do something its a serious issue….?
#2 by Altaf - October 21st, 2007 at 22:22
Every morning u wake up wid sober at the thought of drive through the horrible roads infested wid potholes and vendors, arrive at work late because some politician kept you waiting since he had to cross the road its really horrible. Just imagine how it would be if only you were working elsewhere- in the US or Canada- smooth driving, no petty fights with vendors and beggars, huge pay packets, a cool lifestyle… when it comes to a better lifestyle, we know everyone is selfish…
and the other reason i find is talent of a person is not recognised by anyone. example,DR.HARGOVIND KHURANA was not recognized by anyone in india,then he moved towards western counties,there he earned both name and fame and won “Nobel Price”.
Attitudes are more important rather than the money,pride, lukarative.etc
ndia can become superpower but it depends on ppls attitudes. if this brain drain is in the form of cycle i think there would nt be any problem if they assure to come back to their own homw country. may be the talents , work they used in other country may saturate but the resources he has is always remains .if he could apply the work in india there will be a good future in india. everyone has to move as they wish but they should be think about their home country.so .instead of enjoying the fruits in other country why dont enjoy in his own land.
#3 by shailesh.lende - October 22nd, 2007 at 12:31
Altaf You are right somehow.
As you have written there is no problem if You assure to come-back to your own country after gaining
knowledge.
But this never happen always.
You are giving ex: of DR.HARGOVIND KHURANA who is no doubt extra-ordinary personalty but have think
about great Mahatma Gandhi who went to South Africa to complete his LLB and there are many more.
But todays trend is “Degree complete karlo, TOFEL GRE do aur nikallo” .
Also the problem of traffic & roads, so as you are citizen (educated) of India , either run away you should think on this
seriously.
I think, we need to change our mentallity first…
#4 by shailesh.lende - October 22nd, 2007 at 12:34
Vijay,
Thanks as you really think this is a serious issue.
#5 by Rohit - October 22nd, 2007 at 17:04
world has come closer and closer now a days, so it doesn’t matter where u work until you don’t forget your people, your country, you can also help your country from outside that all make more sense, bcoz everyone knows importance of our country when he/she is in other country. The problem explained by Shailesh was the past problem,its a time for ‘Globalization’.
#6 by shailesh.lende - October 22nd, 2007 at 17:29
Rohit,
I am not talking about forgetting Your Country. Its nothing about the importance of our country. Its all about how
do you use your knowledge for your country or for organizations in your country.
I am talking about mentality of Indian professionals of being migrated permanently to foreign countries just
for higher salaries. Actually the problem arrived while Y2K was due to this mentality only.
I m not saying that working in MNC is bad but there should be some benefit for India of your knowledge in any
field.
‘Globalization’ is another issue!
#7 by sachin Doijad - October 24th, 2007 at 12:32
yes shailesh , I agree with your opinion , but upto some extent, coz if u have talent and u
wish increase it , and if no facilities are available here , then we will definitely go to other
country, let suppose take ur example NASA, In our India there are not much scope for space
engineering, so much indian space scientist going there, so u might know that in NASA there
are 30% scientist are Indians.
Lets think about software Engineers, u know very well that 8-9 yr before there was not much
opportunities in India, so much of software Engineer’s went there(US). forget about others
u tell me if u get apportunity to settle in Us , will u go there or not….?
Don’t be sensitive to answer , please think it financially and Logically…..
#8 by shailesh.lende - October 24th, 2007 at 16:35
Sachin ,at least you agree up to some extent.
I am not against getting higher studies in foreign country, but against settle down in foreign countries only due
higher salary.
You talking about NASA and saying that no scope for space engg.
Haven’t you heard about Vikram Sarabhai Research Center or ISRO ? strange…
About Software Engineers:- 8-9 years before even there were not enough S/W engineers also..
The Brain-Drain I am talking is not before 8-9 years, this is latest trend which not good for Indian Economy also.
This is not a individual issue. But as you have asked, if I get opportunity to migrate permanently , my answer will be definitely NO.
Logically,
Working in Microsoft at Bangalore makes much difference than working in Microsoft at Sillycon vally.
#9 by michael.fernando - October 24th, 2007 at 17:10
Some people feel since they have grown up in India, using India’s resources, they would seem traitors if they leave for better countries after their work is done here.. after all, “jis thaali mein khaaya usee thaali mein chedh kaise karen”
But also remember that, life is to live.. There are many countries that offer better Quality of life than India.. It is not wrong to criticize India just because we are Indians.. After all, we would be fools if we try to cover up and say WE ROCK even when we know WE SUCK in most aspects of life.. Indian Economy is booming, but where is the AAM JANTA in picture? Name even a single person in India who is satisfied with a politician.. Why politician? As you travel to work, can you identify even a single person who behaves like a human-being? Every person wants to get inside and get a place for him/her.. Its always about ME, MY GOOD.. And ofcourse, there is no use blaming us(the people), the infrastructure is so weak that the facilities arent sufficient for even half the population.. Why even after knowing the situation of Mumbai Trains, isnt the government introducing new trains? Why is it that we have to travel in Crowded buses and trains? Why are they running out of the capacity that they can handle?
In our country the people’s plea isnt heard unless a calamity or a deadly hazard occurs.. CCTVs were installed in railway stations only after the blasts..Come on! How much do they cost anyway? why werent they installed even when we know that mumbai is a place “jahaan nazar hati to durghatna ghati”..
It is not about how much you earn, if the Job Environment SUCKS, you would anyway QUIT the job..similarly, it is not about economy booming or patriotism, if India offers a BETTER QUALITY of life, then do hell with SILICON VALLEY, why wouldnt we stay here?
#10 by michael.fernando - October 24th, 2007 at 17:13
and..
agar ZIMMEDARI hum log utaayenge..to kya POLITICIANS FUKAT mein pagaar lenge? I am a software developer..and not a Politician..
think about this.. if your friend keeps failing in an exam, to change it, you go and write the exam for your friend?
They have to do their Job.. there is no EXCUSE telling the common man to RISE UP and become a FREEDOM FIGHTER even after 60+ years of independence..
#11 by yogita - October 24th, 2007 at 18:40
Hey you all guys have different views with reasons !
But I have something to say….
I think As God has bless us with just one life , everyone wants to live life with beauty of world. So if person is exploring the
world in regards with knowledge,people and wealth then its a great virtue of a person and we should take it in a right spirit.
But Yes definitely if we see statistics then brain drain is picture that make us sad.
But even then I think no one can force anyone to turn his way of life ….
And I am sure that shailesh’s word must have change many hearts.
Nice Blog which definitely make us think
#12 by Jiten - October 24th, 2007 at 19:28
I tatally agree Altaf’s view. If one gets the same treatment ( working atmosphere, package etc.. ) then why should he care of going abroad ? But this is very valid subject and we have to rethink on it………….
#13 by shailesh.lende - October 25th, 2007 at 12:09
Michael
I think you are so much of frustrated due all “Mumbai” problems and thats why you are linking it directly to
Brain-Drain.
Ya definitely there are many countries which offer better Quality of life than India (all developed countries),
So why not We try their from our primary education ? As those countries are providing better situations why not
migrate in early stages?
I have already mentioned in my blog the reasons for brain-drain. So blaming all politicians, you cant support permanent migration.
Not only in India, but Nobody in any country is satisfied with any politician. This is truth. What do u think,
people in US or any developed country are very social, they dont think about MY GOOD etc etc. You are talking about infrastructure of society in India so as being a citizen you are also responsible for that in anyway..”Koi
bhi Desh Perfect nahi hota oose Perfect banaya jata hai”
You are comparing Company environment with leaving your motherland ok then Shall we also leave our
home goto other’s ,if anybody is very much rich and better condition than ours ? I think our country is nothing but our home..
Havent you heard about news that in US many professionals get Heart attack when they had enjoyed their week-end and when they just think of Monday moarning work-load..
All these working environment, Indian society and politicians are only fake reasons . The actual reasons is
Money behind the Brain-Drain. But people forget that they can also earn money by staying India only and also
helpful for Indian economy.
Meaning of Jimmedari is not that you are giving exams for your friend But atleast If you have the ability you can give tips about how to write paper ? or just tell him to change the field yaar…
Running away from problem by using COMMON MAN’s Tag is very simple but to finding solutions for it is the Job with GUTS. We have not supposed to solve the Indian economy problem or not to go for hunger strike on go
to jail. But atleast we should do which can be done by us thats atleast use your knowledge for your country…
And I think this is very much less than what FREEDOM-FIGHTER done for us! Is it?
We have to change our mentality first..Changing situation in India is Big issue.Dont worry about that.
#14 by shailesh.lende - October 25th, 2007 at 12:26
Yogita,
Thanks for appreciation !
Ya everybody want to live life with beauty of world..But dont you think in that beauty our Motherland stands first.
We should use our knowledge for our country as being as Indian?
I am not against exploring youself but while doing this atleast try it for some development in India.
As India is democratic country no body can force anybody to do so!
Thanks once again. I dont know about others but I think you will definitely think a while before migrating to
abroad.
#15 by shailesh.lende - October 25th, 2007 at 12:37
Jiten,
There different condition in different countries. So get same condition (working atmosphere, package..) in India right now is not possible. But in upcoming years we may get these in India. (as Rupee is gaining against dollar)
Till then work in MNC, you will get all facilities.
#16 by Neetesh Kumar Jain - October 26th, 2007 at 15:20
This is very True ,
I m agree with u & i also think
Brain Drain is a very harmful factor for a under develop country like as our India. If the meritorious brains goes towards the west or other countries, then how is it possible to develop our country? It is a true factor that many meritorious students want to work with a new technology, but this technology is not launched in India yet. For this reason the student should go further for study with the subject. But he will have to come back to India after completing his study and do something for India by the new technology. But who go to further for the more money and don’t come back to India as because there is less money in India, for them there will be certain steps , have to be introduced by the government.
#17 by Ninad - October 26th, 2007 at 15:21
Its true my friend.
I have thought number of times on many problems related to our country, including this brain drain.But I always come to conclude that thinking on it is waste of time .
See our population is more than 100 crores.How many people’s attitude or way of thinking we can change ?.Every body will do as per their wish.And of course people will go there where there is profit & only if there is way to go.
#18 by Ninad - October 26th, 2007 at 15:33
continue……
If they find opportunity they will definitely go.Only the thing is they should not forget our country where they had developed their talent.They should donate some amount of their huge salaries to develop our country.Or there are number of other ways to help our country while living abroad And Again …… It is their decision whether to do it.
#19 by shailesh.lende - October 26th, 2007 at 15:51
Ninad
thanks as you think that brain-drain is a problem which India is facing.
Ya I am not saying that we have to change 100 crores mind but atlest one individual like us should think
properly before taking any decision of settle down in abroad. As I said before in India we cant force anybody
to do so.
The solution provided by you is nice one but instead of giving contribution, why not come back and work for
India after gaining Knowledge…
#20 by shailesh.lende - October 26th, 2007 at 17:24
Neetesh
Thanks for appreciation!
Ya if anybody want gain knowledge in any advanced fiels which is not available India can goto foreign contries.
Actually F-1 visa is for that purpose only.But people try to convert H1B.
And actually very few professionals go to foreign countries for research , Most of them are trying to settle down.
And the difference in salary package is due to value difference between Rupee & Dollar. When Rupee will become as equql to dollar then all these Anti-Politicians will become pure Swadesi. Just wait & watch !
#21 by Pramod - October 26th, 2007 at 18:27
I agree with michael’s view. I am(ratehr i’ll say most of us including you) not ’social worker’. And if any person want to change the system, then he should have enough power(I think that’s Money).And that (mutch) money he/she will not earn in India.
And what you said about IAS & IPS officer, ‘they are using their talent for their Motherland’.But I think due to only these pople and their corruption India is not developing(or not developed).So I’ll prefer to earn money from other countries rather than from corruption.
#22 by Amiteshwar Prasad - October 26th, 2007 at 18:27
Yes Shailesh I partially support your thinking in some extend about the Scholars of our Country. As they got the opportunities they need to think about the money they can earn, but after spending some moment in the Foreign Country, they realize the need of their mother land. And they come back to their country.
And the most important thing, If you want to do something for someone then no one is there to stop you. This is true for both individuals or the country.
So, the feeling is inside you and no one can force you to do against your attitude or your believe.
Wake up with your responsibilities and do for your country if you willing to do something.
#23 by shailesh.lende - October 26th, 2007 at 18:48
Amiteshwar
Atleast partially you are agree to me.
You are saying that Scholars realize the need of motherland and come back. But it happens very rarely. Scholars
goto abroad using F-1 and after some time they gate H 1B & settle down there.
If its all about earning, then they can also get higher package in any MNC in India only.
If you are talking with respect to me as individual, by writing this blog I have already started my job. And definitely
I will not go any where permanently for job If I get opportunity…
#24 by shailesh.lende - October 26th, 2007 at 19:08
Pramod
I assume that you had read the reply to Michael.
So who told you to change the System in India? And I think as being an Indian You are part of this system…Are you?
Dont worry about the System in India. As you told We are not social worker na? But the problem described by me
doesnt require any social worker to solve it. As you are a IT professional you can do whatever you can do. And
that is change your mentality first. What do u think, by working in India , we can earn money only by corrupyion?
As you have mentioned above your preference, I cant force you to do so. But I think You should be also aggressive
against corruption in India when you were studying & gaining knowledge here in India. On the basis of which you are willing to leave the India.
About IPS & IAS officers, “All fingers of hand are not same.” They are doing their job very well. And many facilities , we are getting in India due to them.
#25 by Tanmay - October 29th, 2007 at 17:11
Shailesh, gr8 blog… something really thoughful…
But, w.r.t. ‘brain drain’ there are some positives also. I really liked the point that even though brain drain is a critical problem, it can be an opportunity for many others, who may not have got employment if those left out people stayed in India. Also, I feel many of those NRIs are (directly or indirectly) responsible for bringing so many MNCs to India. They are one of those driving forces which created a brand, popularly called as ‘India Inc.’. Also, you can not overlook the flow of dollers coming to india.. right? (Though, currently people are concerned about the so much of Dollar ($) flow, but nobody can argue that it really helped india in last decade…)
I’ll certainly agree that the cream of India is travelling to abroad, but that has helped India as well. The other thing is, due to emenrging India, many of them are coming back, and I can say the number is really significant.
So, Its like, coin has both sides, only thing is we have to find which side is heavily biased. And, this can be a really interesting research topic.
Finally, wherever you stay, you should have a ’social’ responsibility. (I’m specifing ’social’ because I really feel, that brain drain has never stopped India’s ‘economic’ growth, infact it has improved it.)
So, my qustion to everyone whether you are in India or abroad, is that – Whether you feel any ’social’ responsibilty for your society? And, if everybody feel positively on this and off-cource act accordingly, then I guess the ‘brain-drain’ is really not an inssue for me…
#26 by michael.fernando - October 30th, 2007 at 10:01
Hi Shailesh
No one is criticising you by disagreeing with you. You have said it yourself, “All fingers of hand are not same”. We have our mindset, you have yours. Consensus cant be met in any topic of discussion.
Rather than berating those who dont agree with you, you can appreciate that they have a different thought from that of yours.
As correctly pointed out by Pramod, IAS ans IPS officers(a lot of them) are to be blamed for the situation in India. While visiting Lonavla we had to shed off nearly 100s of Rupees to these IDIOTS as they were WILLINGLY ASKING for money. You cant turn a blind eye to this Shailesh. Dont tell me you havent seen it happening.
I got my passport. But before getting it, the passport issuer laid off his hands making a gesture to me to give money. When I gave the money to him, he asked me, “how much”. I said, “Rs.200″. Now you would tell me why I gave him the bribe. He smiled and replied, “to teek hain”. Is there any other way to get a passport with lesser HASSLES?
The telephone lines in our area get disconnected and when these Line-men(the people who repair the connection) finish their work, they come to our houses and ask for CHAI PAANI. What would the lay-man do? If they disagree to give it, these Line-men would ignore any complaints made by that particular house in the future.
Really Shailesh, I wonder. If these incidents are JUST “SOME” of my account of my life in India, how many would others have? Remember? India is the second largest populated country.Even after knowing that the Chief Minister of a northern state was involved in the planning of Communal Riots, the exit polls have declared him the Winner of the Polls that are scheduled to happen in December. This is truly Unbelievable! Does this mean, majority of the people there support VIOLENCE?
“All fingers of the hand are not the same”, but in India the GOOD Fingers are NEGLIGIBLE compared to the BAD fingers.
#27 by Bharat Shukla - October 30th, 2007 at 12:25
Hey Shailesh,
I think only one brain is enough to change the entire situation of the country.
So let other brains drain, it doesn’t make any difference my friend.
I am again 100% sure (after reading ur blog) that you will never go out of India.
So as long as you are here, we dont have to worry abt India (and only to focus on our career somewhere in U.S. or Australia)
#28 by Sameer - October 30th, 2007 at 13:56
Really shailesh,
I agree with your opinion! Its a serious problem to think of.
Most of us complaints about politicians and government if something goes wrong, but my
question is who r they?, they are people like us. we elected them
as our leaders, if they are wrong then its our responsibility to teach
them, but “Ghar ki safai me haat gandha koun karega”
when term government comes then it refers to leaders and people like us.
I m not saying one should not go for foreign studied but
returning is more important. as Mahatma Gandhi did.
we only saw our problems, and talk about foreign lifestyle,
how cool it is. but “grass is always green on the other side…”
they might have some different problems.
“I m not saying we are the best but we have potential with which we will be the best”
#29 by shailesh.lende - October 30th, 2007 at 14:27
Tanmay,
You are saying that NRIs are responsible for bringing MNCs to India. Yes these NRIs are relly doing great job but I am not talking about Company holder NRIs. I am talking about professionals who worked in foreign countries. And
these professionals doesnt bring any flow of dollars to India.
Yes MNCs in India are very much helpful for Indian economy. You are telling that Brain-Drain doent harmful for Indian economy, Ok I agree. But if stops, It will be really helpful for development in India.
Just Immagine Narayan Murthy is working in Microsoft or any brand in US then? He is also one of cream of India.
I know that not everybody is Narayan Murthy or Azim Premji But the IITians like you can follow them as a role model and try to build better S/W industry in India. Can you?
Thanks. Really one of the best comment !
#30 by shailesh.lende - October 30th, 2007 at 16:18
Hi Michael,
Ok I agree that comparing IAS & IPS with professionals is not a proper example.
But let me clear one thing first, People taking bribe from you at Lonavala or Passport office were not IAS & IPS
officers.
Yes “Five fingers of hand are not same” and I also know that each one have their mindset. But I have written
this blog to change this mindset only. Bcoz as being as Software Developer we are directly connected to this Brain-drain in India.
There are some serious reasons due to which people are leaving India and these are already mentioned in my blog,
but we are also part of this system so this is our moral responsibility to avoid brain-drain as much as we can..
I have also suffered from many problems due to corruption in India, But thinking as “nothing happen right in India
or India is like HELL bcoz of heavy corruption ratio thats why I have to leave India”- is wrong.
You are blaming people of the northern state as they like Violence.
You know very well that when Us attacked on Afghanistan, People from US are against the war, But what happened in next election Bush was again elected as President. What do say for People in America then?
It was same when Clinton was elected after his Monica scandle? You can not blame people when you are
in largest democratic country.
Everybody has his/her opinion but about Brain-Drain , I want change it so I was so aggressive who are directly connecting social problems in India to leaving this country.This is thinking like if India become corruption free, social people and off course giving me salary in dollars , I will never quit India. If everybody starts thinking like
this, no more talanted people remain in India.
All these corruption and all these illegal issues are not appearing suddenly. Those were from many years. So when you became well educated and eligible to settle down in any foreign country, talking about these problems and so leaving India on this basis is not great job. Is it?
I cant force anybody but we should think seriously on it. Just what I want to focus on….
So at the end Its your decision because after all “Every-body has his/her rights in India But while remembering
our rights we should also note our duties…”
#31 by shailesh.lende - October 30th, 2007 at 17:15
Hey Bharat,
But dont you think If Narayan Murthy also thought like you when he completed his graduation and tried to focus on his carrier in IBM or any where
Thanks for giving me such big reward and I am really happy as you think that my genius brain is enough for
changing entire situation of country. But let me tell you one thing Only you having that “Brain” which is so
much confident about my brain. So dont you think our brains are special all over India
Joking part keeping aside, I think Its a serious issue to think upon. As a well educated citizen of India , Its our
moral responsibility Is’nt It?.
As I will be here in India only, Dont worry about India as you done before
else in US or Austrelia, you missed that blog “Narayan Murthy on Staying late in Office” …:)
Ok all d best for your carrier.
Thank you. One of nice comment. Atleast you have read the blog.
#32 by shailesh.lende - October 30th, 2007 at 17:18
Sameer,
thanks for appreciating feeling behind blog.
You are absolutely right. You wrote exactly what I want to focus on…
#33 by michael.fernando - October 30th, 2007 at 18:35
Hi Shailesh,
It seems my comments arent lucid and hence you arent finding the apt answers.
Every country has its own problems. All I am saying is, after all this years of struggle, many would wish to live a better “quality” of life. For me, If India offers this “quality”, I would NOT think of leaving my motherland. But if it doesnt, and if I get a chance, I would surely like to move towards a better quality of life.
Believe it or not, this is the same message that the others on this page, who DONT agree with you, are actually communicating. No one means to leave the motherland for MONEY. It is only for BETTER LIFE.
By the way, Bush hasnt been re-elected (as far as I know, he was elected in Nov 2000).
#34 by michael.fernando - October 30th, 2007 at 18:40
Our DUTY as CITIZENS towards the country is to follow the rules and regulations and practice everything that the law doesnt tag ILLEGAL.
Our DUTY IS NOT to change the system. That is what REBELS do, and not CITIZENS. The one thing people forget is that SIMPLY behaving as a Citizen would automatically change the existing system. There is no need for us to become rebels.
#35 by Tanmay - October 30th, 2007 at 19:01
Shailesh,
I said that NRIs are “directly or indirectly” responsible for bringing MNCs and Dollars to India… and I realy mean that. The are “one of the” driving forces for “India Inc”.
Also, about Narayan Murthy or Azim Premji , it really does not matter. If they were not there somebody other would have taken “opportunity”. And, today India is really an “opportunity”. Now, Bill Gates want to come India and have setup. I really feel, this is really because of the “Image” that India created. And, for some extend NRIs are responsible for this. And, I can assure a for Next Decade or two, there will be many number of Murthies and Premajis will be created.
I want to conclude, with the the comments made by Prof. A P J Kalam (He was here in Bangalore today for Inuagaration of our New Campus). He was asked same question that what you want to say all those Indians settled in abroad. He replied, “I just want to say to those people, work really-really hard for the country in which you are leaving….”
#36 by Tanmay - October 30th, 2007 at 19:42
Michael,
I’m “daring” to comment on your blog. I feel, some of the your comments are not at all relevant to “brain-drain”. (One more thing, I really don’t feel, “Brain-drain” is a major problem.. read my blog if possible..). Eg. Bomb Blasts and Corruption etc. are not at all relevant….. You, can recall the 9/11 WTC incident. Also, for your reference India is not the most corrupted nation. Infact the research by Forbes.com say that 72 out of 158 countries are treated as “corrupt”. And, surprisingly (for me also) india in not in that… Infact few of the countries that you (and even I) wish to “work for”, are in that list.
The only point that is relevant for me is “better quality of life”. and, I agree on that, but I bet you, a day will come (an very soon – next decade is really promising for India) when people from that part of the world will come here for “better quality of life”… (You may feel, I’m very optimistic, yes I’m as optimistic as I see you Pessimistic are…..)
The point, about politicians and working for society, I really don’t want to comment on. Because, by this time I’ve not done anything for the society (except paying taxes).
Regards,
Tanmay
p.s. sorry for spelling/grammatical mistakes, I’m not very bad in english.
#37 by Tanmay - October 30th, 2007 at 19:46
Folks,
About Prof. Kalam’s speech, please replace word “leaving” with “living”….as i said , I’m very bad at english
#38 by shailesh.lende - October 31st, 2007 at 10:42
Michael ,
Exactly what Tanmay has written , I want to say to you.
You are expecting “quality” life in India and if Its is not possible in India ,You will quit-yes for methis tjiking is very selfish in nature .
And again as Tanmay confessed in his comment many points are not relevant. We are not supposed to be a
Rebel to change situation in India, But I again and again saying that whatever are reasons for Brain-drain , as being a Software Developer we should atleast stop Brain-drain at our individual level.
The Duty which you have mentioned is very theoretical and off course You know very well what I want to
pretend in my comment !
Also for your information plz follow the link “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election%2C_2004″
Related to George Bush !
Thank you for giving really challenging comments.I really enjoyed to reply them.
#39 by shailesh.lende - October 31st, 2007 at 11:54
Tanmay,
As you told Brain-drain is not issue to you, But I am not talking about individual level. With respect to India there are some major issues due to Brain-Drain( Just search Problems due to Brian-Drain in Google.Lots of results)
Ya there are some driving forces in INDIA.Inc but in reality How many NRIs establish software industry in India?
You can not challenge Narayan Murthy or Premji for their major contribution to growth of S/W industry in India.
As if they were not anybody else after they are here! Then why not thousands of Premji & Murthy created in last decade in India ? Initiator is the initiator, remaining are followers only.
Actually I want to say that , we require these followers as many as possible.
Also I want to conclude my comment as you said Brain-Drain is not problem by giving reference- Prof A.P.J. Kalam on Brin_drain in India when he was the President of India On April 8 2007 at Mysore “Later what happened to our country? Why bright people left the shores? I want this trend to be reversed. Institutions like Infosys, which runs a global training facility here and excelled in the field of IT, should help in reversing the brain drain”
#40 by Tanmay - October 31st, 2007 at 12:17
Shailesh,
First of all sorry for, commneting on Murthy and Premaji. They are “legends”… and that is why they are at that position. And, I personaly feel, they spotted the opportunity in India so early and that is why they are at this stage.
Other thing, the trend is reversing….
#41 by michael.fernando - November 3rd, 2007 at 12:48
@Tanmay and Shailesh
How is “communal disharmony” not relevant to this topic? If you were one of the members of the Minority Community that is being targetted in Gujarat, and if you were one of the CREAM of the Professionals that Shailesh is talking about, would you stay there?
???I cant get you.. How is Bomb Blast IRRELEVANT to Brain Drain? Would you stay in an Insecure location if you get an opportunity to leave that place?
And, just one question. Supposing you failed in an Exam in 3 out of 6 Papers, would you tell yourself, “I have just failed in 3. People are failing in 6 out of 6 Papers. I can fail in 4 or 5 Papers. There is no need of Clearing the exams”?. Why does India have to continue Communal Disaharmony OR Corruption just because other countries are doing it? How sensical is it?
I doubt if the “Role Models” you have named to have made India Proud, actually did that out of Patriotism for India. The “National Anthem Scene” that Mr.Narayanamurthy created is absolutely famous. He said he was “embarassed” to sing the National Anthem in the International Conference due to the presence of foreigners and hence played the TUNE. I wouldnt want to take him as my ROLE MODEL.
Tanmay, I dont have any doubt with you being optimistic.
What is shown in films is impractical in real life. There are people who would say NO to opporunities abroad because they love their country. Similarly there are people who would readily move abroad, and this is NOT because they DONT LOVE the country, it is because they want to live a BETTER Life.
Shailesh, its good that you are opting to dwell in India. I would be really happy if you really do that. Its a matter of choice. You choose India, others might choose not to. Brain-drain has good effects as well as bad. While you are concentrating on the bad effects it is causing on our nation, I am concentrating on its good effects.
Dont forget! One of the reasons why the foreign exchange is building up our country’s reserves is due to brain-drain; people working abroad send in their earnings to their parents in India. I wonder how Tanmay entitled me to be pessimistic, I am rather being optimistic here.
If people would not have ventured out of India, India would not have been on the Global Map as it is now. Mr.Mittal who owns the world’s largest STEEL producing firm could put India on the Global Map because he DIDNT stay in India. Mr.Mittal still did it for HIS own good, because he wanted to achieve more and not for the Good of the Nation.
And sorry about the Bush Re-election mix up. I am clear now. Thanks for the link.
#42 by shailesh.lende - November 5th, 2007 at 13:53
Hi Michael ,
You are rally against & should be “Communal Disaharmony” is acceptable. What happenn in Gujraat; is a big
and contraversal issue.
The reason for foreign trade build-up which you have mentioned is a minor one. Its not the Money transfer by
NRIs to their parents which causes increase in Foreign trade ,but its Foreign Direct Investment.
Also outsourcing (off course knowledge not man power) is the main reason which helped in increase in Foreign Trade. Also by survey India is the second fastest growing major economy in the world, with a GDP growth rate of 9.4% for the fiscal year 2006–2007.When measured in USD exchange-rate terms, it is the twelfth
largest in the world, with a GDP of US $1.09 trillion (2007).
Also I am very happy for the reason that you have given for refusing ‘Narayan Muthy’ as role model. Michael Dont mind but you are showing your affection to India by respecting its National anthem (really great) and on other side
giving unsecured environment, poor life style and obliviously corrupted system in India ; you are running away
for your-self and your family. Then where is your patriotism in this case?
Do you think that only respecting ‘National anthem’ is sufficient for showing you are real Indian and doing really well for India? strange…
You statement “Mr. Mittal owns worlds largest steel firm only bcoz he is not living in India” is truly disgusting and
irrelevant. If Mr. Mittal is having capability of putting India on global map then What the HELL are others like you and me doing for India….?
We need brain-drian but in reverse direction. Yes each problem has both sides but we have to decide the worst one to avoid it.
The papers example is nice one but rather than thinking on not to clear exams why not to think upon as we can passed 3 the we can also clear it.
#43 by michael.fernando - November 5th, 2007 at 17:12
I didnt say money transfer is the ONLY ONE reason.. I said, it is just one of the reasons.
Frankly speaking, Brain-Drain isnt that serious of a problem as it is seeming to you. Just because of Brain-Drain, you cant question my Patriotism. Tell you one thing, which one do you choose? Star TV and ZEE TV OR Doordarshan?.. It is quite clear Star or Zee over Doordarshan. Then why dont you watch only Doordarshan? After all, it seems according to your terminology, it is Patriotism..
The reason I brought in Mr.Narayanamurthy was because Tanmay seemed to tell us to follow them. He seemed to believe Mr.Narayanamurthy opened up Infosys to lift India. Thats why, I asked him if he did that, then how come he was embarassed to sing it in front of Foreigners.
The world is the survival of the fittest. The fittest survive and the weaker ones go extinct. India can withstand competition only by becoming the best, offering the best environment to its people, offering ease of life. Ofcourse, a change is prevailing in the Indian Atmosphere for the past few years.
One more thing, if choosing a better way of life is being selfish. Then I and million other Indians are selfish.
You should be happy that you are different, by being selfless, among the huge Indian population.
#44 by Tanmay - November 5th, 2007 at 17:28
Michael,
I really don’t know …how to explain… but, I’ll try.
I “accept” the “Communal Disaharmony”, corruption, bomb-blast are very important “issues” in India and I will be very much interested talking about them. But, open new blogs for them. Because, they are not really relevant to “brain-drain”, and try to “accept” this.
Lets go one by one. I’m only trying to relate (if possiblly I can) this with brain drain.
Communal Disaharmony: How can you think, the ‘minoritiy in India’ are responsible for ‘brain drain’? For me, most of the (about 90% ) NRIs are from Upper Class of the society, and they are not gone there b’cos they are affected by these incidents. Infact, by going abroad, they are becoming ‘minority’ there.
corruption: Again, I’ve already stated a valid point about this in previous commnent. Just want to clarify on the ‘papers- example’ that you gave. I never said, that we should not worry about our corruption, because other contries have it. I just said, it is not the a valid reason for people leaving India. So, please try to understand, I’m not against the points you made. I’m against that, you are trying to relate that with ‘brain drain’.
Bomb Blasts: Again, just try to imagine the 9/11 incidence. Or attacks in London..etc. How can you relate bomb blasts to ‘brain drain’.
Regards,
Tanmay
#45 by shailesh.lende - November 5th, 2007 at 17:58
Ok now the final conclusion by you is that Brain-Drain is not a serious issue, I know it very well. Thats why I am saying that as Its not a serious issue we can solve atleast minimize it without taking help of social-worker (or w/o becoming a rebel).
I am really sorry for challenging your Patriotism.I have no rights to do so. But I want to focus on your partiallity about thinking.
Again your examples are nice but not related to discussion..Selecting channel and selecting country..No way of comparison ! If you are talking about “Quality” which you are expecting in India ;as I have mentioned in my comment (survey) , It will be here in India very soon.
Also when India will able to give you that “Quality” life style , you will be here only. What do u think for you any-body will change overall situation in India and make you sure that India will give you “Quality” life style. Is it
some how your responsibility also?
I am not selfless and nobody is. But Think, to make India fittest or weakest is related to us people or what you have mentioned before COMMON MAN.
After all this is your life and so living in whatever manner is individual’s decision.
At the end You should thank to government because they have not taking action to minimize brain-drain. Also for not applying solutions to prevent Skilled Engineers to migrate as suggested by many experts.( For eg. You might know that For Medical Officers (M.B.B.S. passed out students , there is bond of 2 lakhs Rs which forced then to work in Rural India after completion of their graduation for 1 year. Bcoz the money spend by Govt is much more than the engineers which I have mentioned in my blog- 2 lakh 40000 Rs).
#46 by michael.fernando - November 5th, 2007 at 18:21
This section is meant for a healthy debate. This is not a war. It is just a debate. I hope everyone keeps their emotions calm.
@Tanmay
Sorry about my statement. I understand it was somebody else who told it. I will make it a point to read the comments carefully from now on.
I never said Corruption or Communal disharmony are the only reasons for Brain Drain. They are one of the many reasons. Ofcourse, they all are drops in the ocean called Life. They make life suck big time.
Talking about Bomb Blasts. Bomb Blasts are like “id ka chand” in the countries that you have mentioned. But in India, it is like “amavasya”. Indian Officers have accepted that India has ZERO INTELLIGENCE. And so calling this point irrelevant is in itself irrelevant.
I would like to repeat, my statements have been expressed only in terms of debate.
#47 by Tanmay - November 5th, 2007 at 18:38
Michael and shailesh,
Its good, that all of us now think, that Corruption or Communal disharmony are not only reasons. and they are ‘drops’ in the ‘ocean’ called life. And, there are other major isuues related to so called ‘brain drain’. So, can we keep them aside for time being?, and may talk on other reasons as well?
Also, ‘bomb blast’ in ‘Israel’ are like, daily routines. But, still it is one of the developed countries.
So, can we move on in our discussion a bit?
–tanmay
#48 by michael.fernando - November 5th, 2007 at 18:51
Tanmay this is for you.
Corruption List:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/1412217.stm
#49 by Tanmay - November 5th, 2007 at 19:21
Michael,
yes, India is at bottom. Actually, I used other site, Fobes.com. , which says India is not in the list of “corrupted” countries.
http://www.forbes.com/home/2007/04/03/corruption-countries-nations-biz-07caphosp-cx_da_0403corrupt.html
But, I accept the report, you put forward, is more clear that the link I posted.
Anyways, you are right, corruption is an issue. And, by comparing the countries , it is relevant to for ‘brain-drain’.
Now, can I raise a question, that I raised in my first commnet? Is ‘brain-drain’ really a problem for India in its growth?
I really don’t think ‘brain-drain’ is major issue for India’s progress….
I may be wrong, but don’t see any reason to beleive this, by NOW.
If everyone believes it is major issue, then, we can go for the reasons, including corruption ofcource.
–tanmay
#50 by Jijo Anthony - November 19th, 2007 at 12:51
hi shailesh,
I agree with you but every individual should think about this and take a decision of there own of what they
want.